Beyond Keane's stick-it-up-your-bollocks, there isn't much else to Saipan | Jonathan Wilson

The art of storytelling in film, particularly when it comes to historical events, can be a delicate and often thankless task. The recent release of Glenn Leyburn's and Lisa Barros D'Sa's 'Saipan', which chronicles the infamous row between Roy Keane and Mick McCarthy leading up to the 2002 World Cup, raises questions about the value of dramatization over documentary-style filmmaking.

While the attention to detail in 'Saipan' is undeniable, with meticulously recreated sets, outfits, and even interviews, it's striking how little substance there actually is beneath the surface. The film's attempt to recreate Keane's explosive press conference at a hotel restaurant has been called out for its inaccuracies and liberties taken with the truth. One cannot help but wonder why, if such meticulous care was invested in recreating this pivotal moment, more effort would have been put into accurately representing the nuances of the real-life controversy.

In doing so, 'Saipan' perpetuates a broader problem within film: a preference for stylized drama over factual representation. The tension between the two is palpable throughout, with an uneven tone that veers wildly from exaggerated comedy to pseudo-intellectual musings on Keane's motivations. It's as if the filmmakers are attempting to recapture the essence of the real-life events rather than capturing their truth.

One cannot help but feel a sense of disappointment in 'Saipan' when juxtaposed against other films that have attempted to recreate historical moments with greater success, such as Frost/Nixon or even Brian and Maggie. These films feature interviews as part of a greater whole, adding depth and context to the narrative. In contrast, 'Saipan' offers little more than an isolated scene, stripped of its context and reduced to a simplistic, dramatized narrative.

Ultimately, the film's failure lies in its inability to convey the complexity of the real-life controversy surrounding Keane and McCarthy. The nation was indeed divided over the issue, but this nuance is lost in 'Saipan's' sanitized portrayal. By opting for drama over documentary-style filmmaking, the filmmakers inadvertently reduce the film to an aesthetic experiment, rather than a genuine attempt to capture the truth.

It's worth noting that, at times, it feels like the filmmakers are more concerned with the texture and feel of recreating historical events rather than truly exploring what made these moments so pivotal. The inclusion of cameos from notable figures like Tony O'Donoghue and the RTร‰ crew adds a layer of authenticity but also serves to dilute the central narrative.

Ultimately, 'Saipan' feels like an exercise in mimetic reproduction without any real purpose or outcome. Like John William Inchbold's mid-19th-century woodland scenes, it is stunning in its detail but ultimately less than realistic, serving only as a testament to the skill of the filmmakers rather than a genuine attempt to capture the truth.
 
I'm really underwhelmed by 'Saipan' tbh ๐Ÿค”. I mean, they clearly put a lot of effort into recreating all the details, but it feels like that's where it stops ๐ŸŽจ. It's just so... sanitized ๐Ÿšซ. I want to see some real nuance and depth in a historical drama, not just some fancy costumes and set designs ๐Ÿ‘—๐Ÿ . And don't even get me started on those cameos - it's like they're more there for the sake of being there than to actually add anything meaningful ๐Ÿ˜‚.

I've seen better documentary-style films that at least tried to tell a story, you know? Like Frost/Nixon or Brian and Maggie ๐Ÿ“บ. At least those guys were trying to explore the real-life controversy and context behind the events. 'Saipan' just feels like it's trying to recreate a moment for its own sake, without any real purpose or outcome ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ. It's like they're more concerned with looking good than actually capturing the truth ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™€๏ธ.

I guess what I'm saying is... if you want to do a historical drama, just do it right, you know? ๐Ÿ™„ Don't try to pass off some dramatized version of events as fact. It's just not satisfying to watch ๐Ÿ“บ๐Ÿ˜.
 
๐Ÿค” I gotta say, 'Saipan' just didn't do it for me... I mean, I know they were going for drama and all, but at what cost? The film felt so disjointed and lacking in substance ๐Ÿ“บ. I was expecting a real dive into the controversy surrounding Keane and McCarthy, but instead, it's like they took some liberties (no pun intended) to make it more 'interesting'. And those cameos? Just feelin' like they're tackin' on for extra authenticity ๐Ÿ’โ€โ™‚๏ธ. It's like watchin' a beautiful painting that's just... pretty, but not really sayin' nothin'. I guess what I'm tryin' to say is, if you wanna make a film about historical events, do it right or don't do it at all ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ.
 
I just watched this 'Saipan' film and I gotta say, I'm kinda underwhelmed ๐Ÿค”๐ŸŽฅ. They put so much effort into making it look super real, but at the end of the day, it's all about how they chose to tell the story. It feels like they're more focused on getting the details right than actually capturing what happened. And let's be honest, the scenes that are dramatized feel really exaggerated ๐Ÿคช. I mean, come on, if you're gonna recreate a press conference, make sure it's accurate, you know? ๐Ÿ™„

I just don't get why they took so many liberties with the truth. It feels like they're trying to create this whole different story that's not even based on what really went down. And that makes me sad because I think we need more films that are actually honest and try to capture what happened, you know? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

It's like they took all the skill and effort to recreate historical moments for granted ๐Ÿ’ผ. Instead of using it to tell a compelling story, they just end up making something that's kinda pretty but not really meaningful ๐Ÿ˜. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you're gonna make a film about history, you gotta be honest with yourself and the audience ๐Ÿ‘€.
 
I just watched 'Saipan' and I gotta say, I was super disappointed ๐Ÿค”. It feels like they took all these intricate details and used them to create this watered-down version of what really happened. I mean, don't get me wrong, the sets and costumes are crazy accurate, but where's the substance? The tension between drama and documentary-style filmmaking is so jarring - it's like they're trying to recreate a highlight reel instead of capturing the full story ๐Ÿ“บ.

It's funny you mention Frost/Nixon, that film really does it justice in terms of balancing accuracy with storytelling. And Brian and Maggie, yeah... those ones are always on point ๐Ÿ’ฏ. But 'Saipan' just feels like an exercise in style over substance to me. Like, what was the point of all this fuss if we're not gonna get the real story out? ๐Ÿ˜
 
I just watched 'Saipan' and I gotta say, I'm still trying to wrap my head around it ๐Ÿค”. On one hand, I love how meticulous the attention to detail is - it's like you're right there in that hotel restaurant with Roy Keane ๐Ÿ˜‚. But at the same time, I feel like they took some major creative liberties and ended up losing the nuance of the whole thing ๐Ÿ“š.

I mean, I've seen other films about historical events do a way better job of capturing the truth and context ๐Ÿ”ฅ. Frost/Nixon and Brian and Maggie are two that come to mind - those films actually made you feel like you were part of something bigger than just an isolated scene ๐Ÿค.

For me, 'Saipan' feels like it's more about showing off how cool and realistic their sets and costumes look rather than actually exploring what made Keane and McCarthy's feud so iconic ๐Ÿ”ด. It's all very pretty to watch, but at the end of the day, I feel like you're missing out on some real depth and emotion ๐ŸŽฅ.

I guess that's just my two cents - what did you guys think of 'Saipan'? Did it resonate with you or was it a letdown?
 
๐Ÿค” I'm so underwhelmed by 'Saipan'...I mean, who needs accuracy when you can just make stuff up and call it art? ๐Ÿ˜’ The attention to detail is one thing, but where's the substance? It's like they took every great dramatic moment from Keane's press conference, threw them in a blender, hit puree, and voilร ! Instant Oscar contender ๐ŸŽฅ. I'm all for dramatization, but not at the expense of truth...or even basic factual accuracy ๐Ÿ˜…. Comparing it to 'Frost/Nixon' or even Brian and Maggie is laughable - those films actually managed to capture the essence of historical events without sanitizing them into oblivion ๐Ÿ™„. Maybe next time, guys?
 
The whole thing feels like an overhyped drama piece ๐Ÿค”๐ŸŽฅ that's trying too hard to recreate history instead of actually capturing it ๐Ÿ’ก. It's just a mess of inaccuracies and liberties taken with the truth, which is super frustrating when you know what really went down ๐Ÿ”ด. Give me some good ol' fashioned docu-style filmmaking any day over this stylized drama nonsense ๐Ÿ“บ. And can we please get rid of all these cameos? It's like they're just there to pad out the runtime ๐Ÿ˜. Just let the story speak for itself, no need to add unnecessary extras ๐Ÿ‘€.
 
A Film that Falls Short ๐ŸŽฅ๐Ÿ˜

Imagine you're trying to draw a portrait of a person... but instead of focusing on their features and expression, you get so caught up in making every detail look perfect that you forget what's really important ๐Ÿ˜….

That's kinda how 'Saipan' feels like. They've got all the right elements - interviews, recreated sets, and even cameos from famous people ๐Ÿค... but they're not really using them to tell a story that means something. It's just a bunch of pretty pictures strung together without any real meaning or depth ๐Ÿ“ธ.

I mean, I get it. Documentaries can be boring ๐Ÿ˜ด, but at least they try to be honest and factual. 'Saipan' takes the opposite approach - it tries to make this whole thing into some kind of dramatic spectacle, but ends up losing sight of what really matters โš ๏ธ.

It's like when you're trying to draw a map ๐Ÿ—บ๏ธ... but instead of focusing on the actual path, you get so caught up in making sure every landmark and feature is perfect that you forget where you're going ๐Ÿ˜‚. That's kinda what 'Saipan' feels like - all about looking pretty, not really exploring what makes this story worth telling ๐Ÿ‘€.

Anyway, I guess my point is... if you want to make a movie about history, try actually trying to capture the truth ๐Ÿค. Don't just focus on making it look nice ๐Ÿ‘.
 
๐Ÿค” this film just feels like an exercise in recreating history for its own sake ๐ŸŽจ it's so focused on getting every little detail right that it forgets about telling a real story ๐Ÿ“š and don't even get me started on the tone - one minute you're laughing at some supposed "dramatic" moment, the next you're cringing at how pseudo-intellectual it all feels ๐Ÿ™„ and what really bothers me is that there's so much potential for nuance and depth here, but instead we get a sanitized, dramatized version of events ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
 
I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS FILM!!! IT LOOKS SO PRETTY AND RECREATED BUT IT FEELS LIKE THEY TOOK A BUNCH OF STUFF FROM THE INTERNET, RUMOR MILL, AND THEN JUST MADE STUFF UP!!!! LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT ROY KANE'S PR PRESS CONFERENCE WHEN YOU CAN'T EVEN GET THAT RIGHT???? THE FILMMAKERS SEEM MORE INTERESTED IN SHOWING OFF THEIR SKILLS WITH FANCY EFFECTS AND ACTORS IN Period CLOTHES RATHER THAN ACTUALLY TELLING A TRUSTWORTHY STORY!!!! IT JUST FEELS LIKE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW HARD IT IS TO GET HISTORICAL EVENTS RIGHT ON FILM.
 
I feel like 'Saipan' highlights how tricky it can be to balance accuracy with drama when making films about historical events ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ’ก I think it's awesome that they tried to recreate those sets and outfits, it shows their dedication to getting the details right. But at the same time, I get why they took creative liberties โ€“ art is all about interpretation, right? ๐Ÿ˜Š Maybe instead of calling out the inaccuracies, we should be focusing on how the filmmakers brought a unique perspective to the story? That being said, if we want to see more accurate films like Frost/Nixon, that's totally cool too ๐ŸŽฅ๐Ÿ’ฌ
 
I'm not really buying into this whole 'recreating historical events for drama' thing ๐Ÿค” I mean, can't they just stick to the facts for once? The attention to detail in Saipan is insane, but it's all just a bunch of pretty pictures and sound effects without any real depth or substance. And don't even get me started on how inaccurate some of the scenes are... like what's up with that press conference thingy? ๐Ÿ™„ It feels like the filmmakers were more worried about making something look 'cool' rather than actually telling a true story.

And I'm not just saying that because I'm a skeptic, I've seen other films do it way better. Like Frost/Nixon or Brian and Maggie - they're all about getting the facts right and adding some real context to the narrative. Saipan feels like just a watered-down version of those movies, with none of the nuance or complexity that makes those ones so good.

I'm not asking for much... can't we just get a film that's honest about what really went down? ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
 
I'm so meh about this film ๐Ÿค”. I mean, I get that dramatization can be compelling, but when it comes at the expense of accuracy, it's just not cool ๐Ÿ˜. 'Saipan' is like they took every historical tidbit and made it into a soap opera ๐Ÿšฎ. The attention to detail is insane, but sometimes less is more, right? I'd rather have a documentary that actually gets to the heart of the issue, you know? Like Frost/Nixon, which was so much more nuanced and thought-provoking ๐Ÿ’ญ. 'Saipan' just feels like an exercise in style over substance ๐ŸŽจ๐Ÿ’”.
 
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